Sunday, February 17, 2008

Narrow Range Inside Bars (NRIB) Revisited

A reader submits:

Assuming all things constant and taking this illustration very simply (ignoring PP, MA, candlestick, etc), I appreciate your advice on whether my entry (dotted blue) would be correct. I also have 2 scenarios which I don't know how to deal with.

Just to clarify, when you talk about 2 NRIBs, does the 2nd NRIB have to be inside the 1st NRIB as well?




The two easiest scenarios to address are i) and v). These are excellent setups assuming that price is above and, in very close proximity to the 5 period ema. It's also of utmost importance that volume contracts during the inside bars. Refer to my initial post on the topic. Item v) addresses the last point in that the second IB does not have to be inside the first.

Items ii) and iii) are a little more subjective and may require more confirmation. For example, if ii) is part of a flat base, I would wait until price takes out the first bar or the shadows as may be the case. If bar 3 is red, I wouldn't take the entry off of this time frame. I would drill down and look for a candlestick reversal pattern on a lower time frame. The RIMM example below, although not exactly as depicted in the chart above is somewhat similar and makes the point.

The first chart is the 15 min. and the second is the 5. See how the lower timeframe provides clarity as to what is really going on, whereas the 15 minute chart is somewhat ambiguous.




Item iii) is a good example of a triangle formation and if that is in fact what it looks like on the lower time frame, then this is the correct entry. If bar 1 is the OR and there is no resistance above including an intra day PP, then I would trade it as presented in the example. The only caveat is that until the ORH is taken out, there's always a risk. So if the ORH is only pennies away, I sometimes wait for confirmation. On the other hand, if the 2nd IB is NR7, the setup becomes all that more powerful and may not require confirmation. If you take the entry as presented, you generally have enough room to exit at or near BE if the pattern fails. It's a judgment call and you will determine which entry suits your trading style best over time.

Item vi) is a bullish flag or flag pole and should be entered on break of the flag. When drawing the line segment for the flag make sure to include the upper shadows.

Item iv) is subjective again. I often wait until price takes out bar 1 because the 5 period ema is too far away and I'm waiting for it to catch up to price. This pattern often comes up in the handle portion of the C&H pattern, and here again, I wait until price takes out bar 1. That's my personal preference and it saves me from taking trades that don't pan out, or reverse just prior to breaking out.

Here is an example of a trade with RMBS that I took a while back which depicts the same formation as item iv). As you can see from the first 15 minute chart, the 5 period ema was still quite a distance from price, so I set my buy stop order above the outside bar.




If the inside bars set up at the base of a PP or at a resistance level (for long entries as depicted above), a successful break will generally result in a big move. The best setups are the ones that give consecutive higher lows, so in that respect I prefer i), iii), and v), everything else being equal.

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9 comments:

OONR7 said...

I think we should draw all of the charts we post on our site... candle by candle. Awesome :)

Jamie said...

LOL,

My drawing skills are somewhat limited, but he did a great job!

Jim said...

Good stuff! Thanks Jamie.

Anonymous said...

Jamie,
Thanks for posting this and giving such great analysis! Cleared up much doubts about such setups.

You mentioned that it is important that volume contracts during the inside bars. If if doesn't, does it mean the setup is invalided? Also, must the 2nd IB volume be lower than the 1st IB?

In the RIMM example, would your entry be break above the green tweezer high on 5min timeframe? If there is absence of uptick in vol. on this green bar, would you still have taken the trade?

Lastly, if inside bars set up at base of PP or resistance, would your entry be break of IBs (or 1st bar, depending on which the above scenarios) OR wait for break of PP?

Thanks,
YR

Anonymous said...

PCLN had very nice NRIBs setup last Fri on the 15min. It then formed a C&H as well which hit 100% of Fib ext from base, I didnt take the trade, but its classic! Only thing is not sure where to place the stop for C&H setup in this case. What's your thought, Jamie?

Thanks,
YR

Jamie said...

YR,

If volume doesn't contract during consolidation it is suspect. It does not necessarily have to be declining, but it should be lower than the outside bar.

Aggressive traders buy after tweezer reversal in anticipation of a successful breakout. Confirmation traders wait until price breaks above the blue line. I place a buy stop order above the blue line when I see the tweezer reversal because I prefer to wait for confirmation and I like B&B.

Volume moves price so volume should pick up as price breaks out.

If 2nd IB is NR7 and closes on its highs, I will buy break of IB. If 2nd inside bar prints a doji, I will wait until price takes out 1st IB or PP.

Jamie said...

PCLN,

Yes both setups are good although the dojis on the IBs needs a drill down to the 5 min. to see what's really happening. Both setups happen at whole $ numbers. First entry above 118 and C&H above 120. Third test (excluding morning swing high) of 120 on C&H succeeds. Place stop below previous bar low.

I usually place stop below previous bar low. If I'm trading a #20.00 stock I give an extra 2 cents. If I'm trading a $100.00 stock, I give an extra 10 cents and so on.

Jamie said...

Thanks Jim,

NRIBs are Bread & Butter

Jamie said...

YR,

PCLN is trading in the daily spot - next resistance level around $135.00. If it can hold $120.00 as support - a good one to add to the WL.